Is This Controlling Behavior? What Should I Do?

Updated on January 09, 2013
P.M. asks from Whiteland, IN
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I have a good friend that I've known for 15+ years. We were once so close that I went with her family on vacation! We've gotten close again over the last couple of years. But I cannot stand her husband! The ironic thing is - I haven't even met him. But she has told me enough about him for me to want to steer clear. Just a few examples - If she doesn't give him a bj every single day he tells her she doesn't love him. He once pointed a gun in her face. And the point to this post, he goes through her phone constantly and reads her text messages.

For over a year now I have dealt with his control issues. He's not MY husband, but for some reason I get dragged into the mess all the time! He seems to hate it when she texts me while he's home. I'm not sure if it's just about me or if it's about texting people in general. But she even admits to me that he goes though her phone so she'll intentionally watch what she says or deletes messages she doesn't want him to see.

A year ago he started this lovely habit of texting me nasty messages (from her phone) when he didn't want her to talk to me. I told him off then. But it did no good. Since then, whenever he gets a wild hair up his behind and texts me I'll just ignore it. She'll text me saying she's sorry and he's being "onry" or whatever. I have even stopped responding to her useless apologies. Why should I? If he's going to be a "big man" and text me to tell me to shut up then I think the only one who should apologize is HIM.

This morning I completely forgot that her son is having surgery. (My bad for having my own life and not writing down the details to HER life, right?) I sent her a few texts. Nothing serious. Just about what me and my girls were doing today. She and I share that sort of info all the time. She responded, so I sent another message. And then I mentioned something we spoke about just yesterday. Not once did she ever remind me about the surgery or tell me she didn't want to talk. After that third text from me, I get this in response from her husband: "Ok we are in the hospital so go away for now." I wanted to ignore it. But I've had enough with this "big man" telling ME what to do. I'm not his wife! So I told him that going through her phone and sending me rude messages was just plain wrong and that I've had it. He responded back and told me that it's "their" phone (as far as I understand, it's HER phone) and "they" are tired of me bothering "them". Even went so far as to tell me that she just doesn't "have the balls" to tell me to shut up herself. But of course he has no issue with it. I don't even know this man!

I didn't respond to his last message. No point. I knew eventually my friend would text me back apologizing for him, yet again. Two hours pass and she sends me this: "Hey I want to apologize for my husband. He knows better and that's not acceptable."

I'm tired of her apologizing for him! If she has a problem with me texting her then she can either ignore me or tell me herself. And if he has a problem with it then he needs to talk to his wife about it instead of being rude to me. And if it's so "unacceptable", then why does it happen so frequently?

I've been in an abusive, controlling relationship. I know all the signs. And I've tried to ignore it the best I can, but I really truly believe this man is trying to control every aspect of her life. Obviously nothing I say will change that for her. She's choosing to accept it. But what do I do with myself here? Should I drop the friendship, or just distance myself a bit? Maybe stop texting her completely?

From my own experience, I know I would never find what her husband is doing to be acceptable. If my husband ever picked up my phone and told a friend of mine to "go away" he and I would have some serious issues. And I would definitely make him apologize for his own actions. Sure there are times when he's talking on the phone or texting, and I really want his attention. I will either say that to him or do my own thing until he's done. But I have never intervened in this type of way!

What are your thoughts on this? And what would you do?

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I wanted to add that her son is not his child. She has no other children, but she has been trying to get pregnant. And her son was only having his tonsils removed. And it's because he's sick a lot. I knew beforehand about the surgery. I had simply forgotten.

She is a good friend in the sense that we've known each other a long time. We do not see each other in person, though. We also don't talk on the phone because I don't talk on the phone really. My girls scream and cry anytime I do. And my free time is taken up by school. So I mainly just text a few close friends or family members.

Thank you for all of the advice and input. I think I will be telling her I can no longer be involved. She's a nurse and has even been in an abusive relationship before. I have no clue how she doesn't see it's abuse with everything she knows. I have tried to tell her how wrong this is. So I know she won't listen to me.

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I'm not justifying this man's behavior. Obviously it is wrong. And no my question was not serious. It was more like ironic or sarcastic. And I'm not allowing it. That's the whole point of my post.

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P.G.

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Once you mentioned gun, we go from controlling to abusive. Only she can change her situation, but if there is a way for you to stay in her life and model HEALTHY relationships and keep reminding her of how not normal this is, maybe it'll influence things. Perhaps contact the local women's shelter and ask what you can do as a friend of someone in a situation like this. You need to be safe if you think he's dangerous, but she needs a friend and to see a way out if possible. Professional guidance on how you can help her without pushing her away may work for both of you in the end.

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Your friend is in an abusive relationship. The gun thing is beyond scary -- my God.

His interactions with you via her phone are symptoms of his abusive behavior, but I think they're minor in comparison to what she has to live with and what her kids have to see growing up.

Really, if it's remotely possible, talk to her (in person, not via text) and tell her you need to talk to her about something very hard, but you're concerned for her safety and you think she should get out of this marriage and away from this man. She may not jump on this the first time, but however you can, try to let her know that this is not normal in a marriage and she doesn't have to put up with it, any of it, at all -- and there are ways (shelters and the like) she can get out. I really hope she does.

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A.V.

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It sounds like your friend's husband is abusive. I would hand my friend a hotline number and say, "This is not the way you need to live." It is very hard for someone to break free if they've accepted behavior like that as normal. She will need counseling for herself.

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H.W.

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ETA: I do agree with many posters that reaching out and having that hard conversation with your friend *might* be a good idea. However, I would caution you to be very thoughtful about this? Does this friend of yours seem to have a lot of drama in her life usually? Does she seem like she might take what you said back to him in a moment of anger? ("P. M. said you're an abusive bastard...") The reason I bring this up is that he has already shone poor judgment and violent behavior, and I would not want him to bring this on you in retaliation, both to prove his point to her that he's in charge and to scare you. Your friend has made her decision(s)--just saw your SWH-- I don't think your concern will change her mind.

""Hey I want to apologize for my husband. He knows better and that's not acceptable."

First, it's not an apology. It's an apology from her, but not from him. It's just her way of flailing at some sort of damage control.
Second, he does things he 'knows better' not to do regularly. Pointing a gun in someone's face is certainly in that category.

Too much drama for a healthy friendship.

What I would do: the friendship needs to take a break. Me being me, I'd tell my friend straight up: "I love you, but I will not be calling or texting you any more. Your husband is attacking me personally and you might choose to be in a relationship with this guy, but I didn't ask to. I don't want to. And I am tired of you making excuses for his behavior toward me. You can make all the excuses you want for how he treats you--which is abusive, and you need to get some help-- but you cannot expect me to ride with this any more."

You may lose the friendship. She's unwilling to save herself and she's unwilling to draw the line. This may also be the wake-up call she needs-- that you are fed up and can't pretend any more. I'm sorry-- it always hurts to lose a friend and I am sure you are more than worried about her. But she is the one who most needs to worry about herself and that's just not happening. I hope you can find a place of peace around this.

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☆.A.

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Definitely a control freak.
If she's a good friend, though, I wouldn't abandon her.
That's his goal.
If she's a very good friend, let her know your couches are available if she ever needs them in a hurry....

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A.C.

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Don't abandon her.

That's what this jerk wants.

But tell her that he's abusive every time she has to apologize, and that you don't appreciate him abusing YOU as well as her. Don't tell her in a text. Call her. Even if your kids scream. I would stop texting her. I agree with another poster - you should just tell her you never know if you're talking to her or him, and while she may choose to engage with an abuser, you don't.

Watch carefully to see if he ever sends anything that crosses a line to indicate violence. If she references the gun again, for example. You may need to call the police in that case, or CPS, for the sake of the child. At the VERY least, you need you give her the number for a women's shelter.

But if you can no longer handle the drama this guy brings to your life, I would let her know that you will always be there for her, and she can contact you at ANY time if she needs help, but that you find her husband to be toxic and you don't want that in your life. Then, if she texts you random, regular things, ignore them. Don't give her husband things to use against her.

I'm sorry you're going through this. It sounds awful. My heart breaks for her little boy.

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M.R.

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I think you should contact a domestic violence hotline and start sending her ALL of their literature and contact info - ASAP. Call as many in her area that you can find and send her links on her cell phone and literature in the mail.

Then you'll probably have to change your number so he won't come over and demand blow jobs from you too.

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A.G.

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What would I do? I would totally cut off all communication with her via text or phone. I would either communicate w/her in person or an email address he has no access to.

I certainly wouldn't cut off my friendship with her. She may need you one day down the road.

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C.B.

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I would drop the friendship.

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R.M.

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That guy's nuts. I wouldn't be able to be her friend, with him on the scene.

ETA -- Okay, changed my mind after reading a few other responses. I guess you can't abandon her. But I would definitely stop texting her. Tell her you need another way to contact her, that that jerk isn't privy to.

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B.C.

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There's not much you can do until SHE'S fed up with living like that.
She might stay with him till one of them dies of old age.
She's using you as someone to vent to, but she doesn't want anything to really change.
She SHOULD talk to a real counselor but she's got to want to change her life and change is often a hard struggle - not everyone is up for it.
It's got to be frustrating for you to hear about all this and have her always go back to him for more of the same.
At some point you may start to feel she's a lost cause.
It's up to you how close you stay to her and for how long.

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J.K.

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too much drama. If she is too good of a friend that you dont' want to drop her friendship, start emailing her instead, that way she can do it when he's not around and you can just do it once a day. Not as fun I know but what is happening now would be too much for me.

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