Need Help with 4Yr Old DIVA Who Hits Me

Updated on December 27, 2007
T.K. asks from Westerville, OH
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Hi. I have a beautiful 4yr old little girl who is VERY spoiled. I will admit that I had some part in it, but I will blame most of it on her father. He lets her get away with everything and gives in to her on everything, it's disgusting.
We put her in time=out when she misbehaves, not a problem until about a month or so ago. Now she will scream and throw a fit and get out of the chair and swing at us(mainly me) and tell us "we're not her friend ANYMORE!" or "I don't like you ANYMORE!" Of course we let those responses roll off our backs, set the timer and move on once we have her to where she knows she MUST stay in time-out.
Lately though she has began hitting me. And not just when I put her in time out. I can tell her something she doesn't want to hear, something like the word "NO" and she will get angry and hit me in my arms or face, which ever her hands are closest to. Yesterday she really hurt me, she was leaving for school (she's in Kindergarten) and her and I had just had a disagreement about her shoes and socks, she has to wear a uniform, and was angry that she couldn't wear her Bratz sneakers. Her father told her to give me a hug goodbye. She stiffened up her armm and whacked in the neck and said "I'm mad at you, I don't want to give you a hug". OK, it wouldn't have been so bad if I didn't have Whiplash. I was in a car accident on December 8th, with her and her brother and 5 other family members on the way to a funeral.
Then last night she was running around the coffee table and I asked her to please stop she may knock my soda pop over. She continued, so I gave her a little swat on her behind and said "I asked you to please stop, now please do so or you will go to time-out". She stopped and looked at me and balled up her fist and whacked me in the back. It hurt so bad, it mad me cry right there in front of her. I grabbed her hand and led her to "Natalie's Naughty Stool" where she sits in isolation. She sat up there and started crying "Okay Mommy, I'm sorry. I have control now, I want to get up". NOPE, I told her and walked away to set the timer.
Now all of this would not be so bad if I didn't already hurt all the time from MS and Fibromyalgia. She knows I hurt, she knows I'm tired alot and that Mommy needs help sometimes. Her big brother tells her this when she starts getting out of control at times.
Any suggestions? Help! She is a very intelligent little girl, so I have to do things differently with her than I would another child her same age because she is very witty and wise and catches on the things very quick.

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So What Happened?

I would like to thank everyone for their advice. So, I did not have to spank my daughter to put a stop to her hitting me. After my Mother, her Aunt and her Daddy got done talking to her and chewing her out and letting her know that it is not okay to hit Mommy because Mommy is already in enough pain and hurting Mommy is not nice, and it hurts her heart that her little girl hits her; my daughter has not hit me since.

She still gets mad when she doesn't get her way or hear the answer she wants, but she has been telling me very loudly "I'm not happy about that Mommy!" or "We need to make a deal!" I've given her those 2 lines to vent and let me know and we are trying to talk things out now. She's still a DIVA and will always be, but boy what a difference a few days make. A couple of talks from family members, and a bit of advice from online members and my little DIVA has not hit me since.

Thank you all!!!

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L.F.

answers from Cincinnati on

You need to snatch up the reigns on her right now. And your husband better back you up and be a father, not a buddy. Whatever her currency is, take it away. I don't know if you believe in spanking, but if you do, disrespect is a good thing to employ it on. Her father has to plug in and help with this our she will be totally out of control. She needs to understand that all the nice things you give her are privileges, not rights, and she has to earn the right to keep them. Good luck!

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M.S.

answers from Cincinnati on

we took are sone to a developemental phsyc. he was haveing some issues. but i think it was a stage he was going through. but they might have some thoughts. my 20 month old will come to me and hit me but he is a lot younger. but i get flustered because i don't want to say don't hit and then whip him . i do the time out also. i heard it said sometimes it is a way for a kid to feel in charge when they don't feel in charge of them selves. but what do you do? i feel for ya.

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E.F.

answers from Columbus on

T.,
As hard as it is going to be, you must take control of this situation now. It scares me that you keep saying this behavior "would be ok, or not so bad if...". This behavior is completely unacceptable. I understand you love your daughter more than anything, but it is because of that fact that you have to put your foot down. You are the parent! If she is this defiant and violent at only 4 years old, imagine how bad things could be as she gets older. She obviously does not have to face consequences that bother her enough to stop, so why would she not just up the ante as time goes on and she wants to get away with more. I was a very defiant child with ADHD and my family had to go to counseling when I was very young and out of control. It helped tremendously. Especially with the other problems you face everyday, ie MS and Fibromyalgia, this is not something you should be dealing with. Seek professional advise or from other parents. Please take care of yourself! Good luck.
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N.H.

answers from Mansfield on

I don't honestly think your daughter is trying to hurt you when she hits. It sounds to me like she just has anger management issues. She gets angry when things don't go her way, and instead of shouting "I'm so mad at you," she hits. Spanking definitely will not help, because that just reinforces the idea that hitting is what you do when you are mad. You really need to not only tell her, but also model for her, that when she is angry she needs to use her words rather than hitting. Kids this age have trouble controlling their impulses, so it may take some time before she gets the message and stops hitting. Also, I would continue putting her into time-out when she hits--or if she talks to you disrespectfully. Tell her briefly "you're in time-out," put her there, ignore her until time is up, and then ask her why she went into time-out. If she tells you correctly, say "that's right" and end it. If she tells you incorrectly, correct her, and then end it.

Hang in there. I too have a very spirited daughter who still makes me want to rip out my hair from time to time. I feel for you!

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L.P.

answers from Columbus on

I know how you feel, my daughter is the same way. It sounds like you're doing a good job, stay consistant in the punishment. don't give in. She's testing you to see who's in charge, you or her. We went through that too. Did she seem sorry that she hurt you and made you cry? Did you tell her how much she hurt you while you were crying?
I wish you the best, it will get better.
L.

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A.B.

answers from Cleveland on

I do not have kids that old so take my advice for what you want. This age is usually pretty hard for kids. Maybe the behavior is because of stress somewhere (at school maybe) or a misunderstanding that is causing the behavior. It could also be a stage she is going through. Was the funeral someone she was close to?
I understand that you are fusterated, but hitting her may be only making matters worse. As you said she is a really smart girl, maybe you have to use different tactics on her. Take away items, or privelages. Sit down with her and ask her why she hits and how she feels when she wants to. Tell her that if she hits you are going to take away (whatever) and for how long. Also give her rewards for not hitting one whole day. Use a sticker chart with Bratz stickers and once they are filled up, let her chose a reward-so she wants to behave in a positive way. Help her find other ways to take out her anger. Let her make angry pictures or notes and she can give you or dad to show how she feels, instead of hurting either of you. Maybe the bratz tv show isnt good for her attitude?
I wish you the best of luck.

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L.N.

answers from Bangor on

Hi T.,

I don't know if my answers are going to help or anything but here's what I think. Definitely think about what you are modeling for your child when you give her a "little swat on her behind." This may not seem like much to you since you are a) bigger, b) can judge that it did not hurt her but think about it from a child's perspective -> Parent just hit me. Therefore, I can hit too. The main effect that your swat created was a startle effect. You could create that SAME THING by simply taking both her hands and immobilizing her. Also, about the "Naughty Stool" I have always heard that time out should not be associated with being naughty but really a chance for a child to think about what they have been doing. If you ONLY lead them there when they are in trouble, they get the message that they ARE naughty children, and so, will continue to act naughty, especially if no other consequences are attached. If you use time out and phrase it as "I think you need a chance to catch your breath and think about what you just did to me" then they can think about it. You can tell them - I am going to come back to you in five minutes and I would like to hear what you are thinking and ways we can work to make this situation better for both of us."
Four is an age of reasoning. But also a time where children are having to learn to deal with their powerful emotions and hopefully verbalize more than physically.

One thing I learned from working at an all ages after-school is that "I" messages are very helpful to children. Teach them to say "I don't like it when you do __________." "I feel ______ when you say _____________."By modeling these things for them, you also are communicating how you are feeling without the emotional load that comes with tears, yelling, etc. Another book that I have been reading that has been helpful is called "Liberated Parents, Liberated Children - Your Guide to a Happier Family". It gave me some profound insight to new ways of phrasing old problems that keep re-occurring in the home.

Another thought is this - with Fibromyalgia and MS you have some severely physically debilitating at times symptoms. Her running around the table is evidence of excess energy. Is there any way you could enlist the help of your older son and husband to help her blow off some of that energy - either by taking her out into the yard to play a game of tag or ? ? ? I don't know what your finances are like but enlisting her in a sport of some sort could help teach her self-control also (gymnastics, taekwondo, ballet, soccer etc.) 4 years old is not too young to start learning self control.

Another thought if playing outside isn't an option - maybe she is bored out of her gourd and looking for something to do/attention from you - can you challenge her mentally with some puzzles/spelling bee/math problems/having her read a story aloud to you BEFORE she knocks your soda over on the coffee table?

If you need help in the kitchen, why enlist her in doing little things that make her feel important and useful like stirring the cookie batter or pouring in the chocolate chips etc.

Here's some advice I found on a website
http://www.volusia.k12.fl.us/psych/AngerMang.htm

WHAT CAN I DO AS A PARENT?

Before you can help your children deal with their anger, you must first explore your own feelings of anger and the way in which you deal with these feelings. Children learn from observing their parents. It is important that parents be aware that their method of dealing with anger is observed and will be imitated and learned by their children. Furthermore, understanding the typical developmental behaviors of children helps parents to know which behaviors are not typical and might need looking into. Here are some things to try:

Positive reinforcement: This is a very effective method for teaching children desired behaviors because children strive for attention. Focus on your child's good behaviors, instead of focusing on their bad behaviors. Reward your child often with a small treat or special attention for every short period of time that your child behaves appropriately. Be consistent because your child needs to clearly understand what is expected of him. If you need assistance creating a behavior plan, contact your school counselor or school psychologist.

Help children understand and express feelings: When voices and tantrums become louder and louder, tell the child that you will wait until they use a calm voice. You may also validate their anger while asking what you can do to help, such as "I see that you are angry, what can I do to help?" Children may not always get what they want, but you are teaching them that their feelings matter. You also teach them that there are more acceptable ways to achieve their desired goal or to obtain a desired object without anger.

Help children learn problem solving skills: Roleplaying different solutions and teaching problem solving techniques will also be beneficial to your child because you can demonstrate positive, non-violent ways to resolve conflict.

Parents can play a positive role by helping their children deal with anger. Parents who use positive approaches and modeling techniques will enable their children to grow emotionally strong and able to deal with the difficult situations they will face in the course of everyday life.

Some children inappropriately display anger because they have not yet learned more effective coping strategies. There are other children who may become violently angry or who may display hazardous behaviors that are dangerous to themselves and others. If there is an increase in your child's anger, determine whether any significant changes have occurred which might be upsetting your child. If your child is displaying severely violent or dangerous behaviors, it is strongly recommended that you seek additional assistance from a school psychologist or a pediatrician.

Source: Reprinted from Helping Children at Home and School (NASP, 1998). Article written by Beth Levy, NCSP, who is a school psychologist in the Bedford Schools in Mt. Kisco, NY.

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B.E.

answers from Cincinnati on

my baby is only 7 weeks so my advice may be unfounded but I have been a nanny for many years. You need to do more than timeout, take away thing, her bratz tennis shoes, computer time, friends, her toys, tv time, play time, sweet snacks, juice, or pop. I know in my life I would not have dared hit my mother growing up she would have spanked my behind and sent me to my room(*she would have removed toys and all fun things from my room*)to stay there the rest of the day except for school. Being a nanny I never spanked the children(*it was not my right*)but taking away toys and privileges worked very well. Also you can not be the only one being the bad guy here, your son and most of all your husband have to put there foot down too or else it is all in vein. Force her to stand in front of her father when he gets home and tell him the bad things she has done, and let him hand down the stern punishment, you all must be a united front in her eyes.

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A.J.

answers from Mansfield on

Girl I am with you 100%!!! My daughter is 5 now and is getting better, right now she usually only goes DIVA on me every other week. I have been told by her "you hate me" " I hate you" " I bet you wish I was never born" and I have been hit so many times I can't even count. What I started doing was watching her hand and then knocking her hand out of the way when she went to hit me, and saying in a stern voice "you DON'T hit your mom" "you don't hit anyone for that matter" Then what I do is tell her that she cannot talk on the phone that night or she doesn't get to go out to eat (if we are planning on that) What I do is we go out to eat and she has to sit in the booth and cannot be involved in the dinner portion. Then when we get home she gets her dinner which normally is only a sandwich. This usually straightens her out for a little while and I can usually get about 3-5 days without her flipping out on me. I hope this helps and you know that you are not alone in this. If you wanna talk or compare notes don't hesitate to write me.
~A.

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